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Old 04-29-2008, 06:17 PM   #1
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I am new here and this forum seems to be a good place for info on props.
The propel was found here in Denmark
There are 8 mounting holes,but the base is hollowed(?) out ,presumely to fit a clock
The propel is marked:
No 8-347
100PS
GNOME
D 250
St 200
TYPE X

The motor type is there.BUT the plane?
The French 100ps gnome was used for many airplanes and copied in many countries;England,Germany,USA and even here in Denmark
I discovered that we (Danish army flying korps) had the AVRO 504,
and thats the closest i get.

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Old 07-29-2008, 11:41 AM   #2
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Hi
Anybody out there
Just adding another picture,hoping it will ring a bell somewhere!
Any guesses on the origin of these markings ? German,english,french...?
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Old 07-29-2008, 06:28 PM   #3
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Hallo Jan.

Your prop is German, indicated by PS for horse power and St for pitch. The diameter of 2500mm suggests that it is from a Fokker E type of aircraft. The French Gnome aircraft was only really used just before WW1, mostly by Fokker although most of his designs used the 80ps Gnome rather than the 100ps of your prop.

I'll do a bit of research.

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Old 07-29-2008, 06:31 PM   #4
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A postscript Jan,

Please provide a photo of the entire prop, which might help me to identify who made it. Are there any decals or stamps on the prop, for example from Heine or Integral?

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Old 07-31-2008, 01:41 PM   #5
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Jan,

I have not made much progress.

The summary is that the 100ps Gnome, which is a French engine, is rare amongst German Aircraft. It was copied by Oberursel and is much more common in this form as the U I. It powered the Fokker E's, mostly the Fokker EIII, I believe. Both Behrend & Rüggebrecht and Heine made props for this engine with a diameter of 2500mm, but with a pitch of 2200mm, whereas yours has a pitch of 2000mm.

Type is not a German word. The equivalent is TYP, so the last line of data might read TYP EX, but I have no idea what this means. It is unlikley to mean experimental; in German aviation at this time that would be represented by the letter V for Versuchs.

How are you getting on with sending me a photo of the complete prop? That might enable me to identify the maker. Are there any other markings on the hub or on the blades?

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Old 07-31-2008, 03:31 PM   #6
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Hi Bob
Thanks for your post.
Sorry,no decals or stamps.The prop. was covered in some kind of dark red substance when found in a cellar in Copenhagen ca.1950.
The red stuff was proberly some kind of preserving,anyway this was rubbed down
and reveiled no decals.The wood is still in perfect condition,treated with linoil.?
I agree with your deduction of the markings,it seems to be German.I havent been abble to find anything on danish markings.
Im not sure about Fokker E-type,didnt it had a Oberursel,the German version of the Gnome ? And the prop. marked as such ?
I was asuming that the prop was from the Danish Army Flying Korps or the Navy ditto.
The navys workshops (Orlogsværftet) produced (on licens) both the 7 and 9 cyl.(80/100 PS) versions
before and after ww1,some of these was used for the navys flying boats.
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...maj2005151.jpg
http://flymuseum.dk/html/flytil1940/...aadMaagen3.php
I think its likely that "Orlogsværftet" also produced the props or had some Danish factory doing it.
The army flying korps had the Vickers FB.5 with 80-100 Ps gnome,this is like the flyingboat with the prop. pushing.
Is it possible to see wich way the prop. was mounted,are markings reads in forward direction?
Unfortunly the prop has been vandalized for a wallclock,center is hollowed out !!!
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k.../propel008.jpg
No idea of original inner diameter.

Another candidate is the Avro 504 ?
http://flymuseum.dk/html/flytil1940/Avro504K.php

Picture of intire prop.
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k.../propel002.jpg

Heres some pics for those of you who also loves the engines.
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...maj2005163.jpg
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...maj2005150.jpg
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...maj2005156.jpg
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Jan,

Many thanks for these additional photographs. Your prop was made by Reschke in Berlin and dates from around 1915. The shape is very distinctive and the serial number, 8347, is close to another Reschke prop that I have seen with a diameter of 2400mm and the serial number 8158 made for the 80hp Gnome.

Your prop is not from the Avro 504. Gnome powered examples had a diameter of 2740mm and a pitch of 2130mm.

German props were usually marked to indicate a pusher or tractor prop with the words druck and zug respectively, usually with the abbreviation EDUL which indicates the direction of rotation, anticlockwise. Is there any sign of zug or druck on the prop?

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Old 08-01-2008, 12:59 PM   #8
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Hi Bob
Hope you dont spent the night reseaching.
Thanks again.
Sorry theres no other markings than those on the pic.
Your proberly right about the shape,it is very distinctive with
the straight leading egde.
Do you got any info about Reschke factory ?
I would like to think the prop was used on the flying boat,the small diameter seem to be perfect.
Even if the prop is german,this says nothing about the actuel airplane
Denmark was neutral at the time and imported planes,motors,spareparts from England,France,Germany,....
The prop could be made for any of the planes using the Gnome 100 PS
But this is a very good start,i will now try to ask our
"Teknisk Museum" if they got any records of Reschke.


I might even take more pics of planes,props and motors,while im there,but im not sure this is the right forum to post them ?
The Motor and flying-boat pics was taken at "Teknisk Museum" in Helsingør.
http://www.tekniskmuseum.dk/

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Old 08-01-2008, 02:10 PM   #9
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Jan,

Send me an e-mail using the forum link below and I'll send you the details that I have about Reschke.

I checked my records and discovered that the other Reschke 80ps Gnome prop came from Denmark as well, from someone who was an engineer with the Royal Danish Air Force at Aalborg. It might perhaps indicate that these 2 props came from an aircraft which initially had the 80ps engine, then later the 100ps.

I would be grateful for any photographs of the pre-1920 aircraft props at the Teknisk Museum in Helsingør. Details of the data on them (by photograph) would be wonderful.

If any other forumites have WW1 props, I would be grateful for details of them as well, for my database.

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Old 08-01-2008, 03:57 PM   #10
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Hi again
WOW! This is great news !
Since the 80 ps prop also came from Denmark,its likely that some sort of "import" was present at the time,this may well be another piece in the puzzle ?
And yes,most of the aircrafts buildt with the 80 ps was later updated with the 100 ps.So did the flying boats.(Sorry,but Im crazy about them,the woodwork is astonishing,looking better than any furniture ive seen.)
More pics:
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...maj2005168.jpg
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...maj2005173.jpg
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/k...maj2005171.jpg

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