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Old 12-28-2007, 10:54 AM   #21
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Old 01-02-2008, 12:32 PM   #22
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Bob, any luck yet finding the photo of the Germania prop?
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Old 01-03-2008, 12:59 AM   #23
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Hi Don,

Sorry for the delay. I have only one photograph of a Germania prop which is attached below. I have one or two probables in another file which I'll go and have a look at. They are either Germania or Imperial. I only have five records of a Germania prop compared with about 40 for both Heine and Axial props, which might be an indication of rarity. So far, I only know of Germania props made for Hannover CL aircraft and for Pfalz.

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Old 01-03-2008, 01:32 AM   #24
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Don,

Here's one more which is probably a Germania prop but might be an Imperial. Its on a Fokker D VII which had a more powerful engine than an Albatros C I, and therefore more bulky.

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Old 01-03-2008, 07:31 AM   #25
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Bob, thanks so much for posting those. The second looks almost exactly like the prop I'm planning to model. I still haven't gotten around to scanning the photo in the datafile but the curve, laminations, and decals look about right.

As far as I can tell the engine shown in the photo in the datafile is a Mercedes 160.
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I finally got the scanner working again. So here's the scan of the prop that I suspect is Germania (based on the cross and the hint of a sun-burst circular decal).

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Old 01-04-2008, 10:28 AM   #27
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Lovely photograph. Might I use it in my book on German props?

I believe that it is an Integral prop. Here's my reasoning.

Only four German prop makers (that I know of) used the cross patee in this way with their company logo; Reschke; Imperial, Germania and Integral. (two others used the cross inside their logo). We can eliminate Reschke because of the shape of the decal. Germania and Imperial are predominantly red in the centre and don't show up with white patches in distance photos.

Integral designed props have a dead straight trailing edge.

Here are photographs of Integral props on Fokkers, which have a similar look.

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Bob, thanks for the further info and the photos. The whitish dot in the center of the integral decal seems to be the give-away.

As far as using the photo, it's a scan from the Albatros CI datafile so I don't really have any rights to give. I never really know who owns the "copyright" on these old photos. Is it whoever owns the copy ("a" copy?) of the original print? Or maybe the first person to publish it?

Was the German Integral related to the French Integrale?
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Old 01-04-2008, 02:08 PM   #29
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Yes.

Integrale in France was founded by Lucien Chauviere. His early research work set the pattern for prop makers for the next ten years. He set up subsidary companies in England and in Germany, where both were called Integral. I have recently found a suggestion that companies were also set up in Russia and Austria, which I am currently researching.

I enclose 2 photographs of Integral prop decals found by Dave Bahnson (the first and better of the two) and me. If anyone has a better decal or details of any German Integral prop please tell me.

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Old 01-04-2008, 02:24 PM   #30
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It's great to have been able to track down a specific maker for the prop in the datafile photo! A couple of weeks ago this was just an interesting looking prop to me and now it's a wonderful bit of history.
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