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Old 12-25-2007, 05:57 AM   #11
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Bob, thanks very VERY much! So when did you say that Vol. 3 book was coming out?

A Merry Christmas to you too from Southern Cal! BTW, I did my Ph.D. (D.Phil) degree at the University of York -- and took the opportunity to visit the Yorkshire Air Museum.
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Old 12-25-2007, 04:41 PM   #12
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We live fairly close to York, between Doncaster and Selby, out in the country. In what did you do your D.Phil?

I still have a photo of a complete Reschke prop to send you, if I can remember where I filed it. Do you have any photographs of other decals? I am still trying to find a few for the book and also I need some photos of decals on props on aircraft.

Without wishing to sound particularly obtuse, volume 3 on German props will be published when I have finished it. The problem for an author is to know when it is finished. When I was finishing vol 2 on British WW1 props I was about two weeks from publishing it for about a five month period! I would conclude that it was good enough to publish only to find another snippet; and so on!

I have a chum who has been writing the definitive work on a particularly arcane subject for twenty years and is still gathering obscure facts. Most of us think he should have published ten years ago and then published a revised edition some years later. This is what I plan to do with my prop books, because publishing them brings out quite a lot more info.

So you see, the answer to your question is that I am about four weeks from finishing the book which therefore should be finished in the Autumn!

I am delighted to hear about the German fora you've found. Tomorrow's task is to trawl them and ask for info on my missing details on German props.

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Old 12-26-2007, 01:27 AM   #13
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[quote="Bob Gardner"]We live fairly close to York, between Doncaster and Selby, out in the country. In what did you do your D.Phil?
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My degree is in Communication Studies. I was making trips to York about twice a year (from Japan were I work). But not having a car I didn't have much chance to get out into the surrounding areas from York. I took a cab out to the Elvington air base and someone from the base kindly volunteered to give me a ride back into York.

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I still have a photo of a complete Reschke prop to send you, if I can remember where I filed it.
I'd really appreciate that. If you prefer you can send it to my email address at dcarroll2@mac.com

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Do you have any photographs of other decals?
Everything I now know about German propellers I've learned in the last 48 hours!

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I have a chum who has been writing the definitive work on a particularly arcane subject for twenty years and is still gathering obscure facts.
As an academic I totally understand this! I've been working on the manuscript for a book for over two years now. Another leading researcher in my field just published his first book basically summarizing 40 years of research.

Like you say on your site, the nice thing about doing the books on CDROM is that you can provide upgrades.

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I am delighted to hear about the German fora you've found. Tomorrow's task is to trawl them and ask for info on my missing details on German props.
I did send an email to the owner of the Reschke prop asking for info and photos. It's nice to actually get to use my German occassionally. I was a German major at university and then attended a German university for a year. But nowaday I don't get to practice it much (having lived "inzwischen" in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman, Mexico and now Japan). I was surprised to discover that the information in the "Baubeschreibung" in the CI datafile apparently had not been included in the text. I must admit though that while my conversational German is pretty good, reading technical engineering materials is a challenge. I have a pdf of an old Sportflug article on the Pfalz DIII describing the construction in great detail and that's pretty tough going.

BTW, in another (closed) thread there was some discussion of a propeller tip with some artwork on it that included the phrase "Ich will ein Boelcke werden." I would translate this as "I want to become a Boelcke."
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Old 12-26-2007, 05:46 AM   #14
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Gutenmorgen,

Ich dachte, daß Sie Deutsches von der Weise sprechen konnten, die Sie die deutschen Website beschrieben. Das ist, warum ich eine vorhergehende E-mail 'mit freundlichen Grüßen' auf englisch beendete.

I could once speak colloquial German but no more. I am moderately able to read German script, sufficient to understand the basics, but it is a struggle and involves copious use of my dictionaries and translation devices such as Altavista.

When I find my photo of the Reschke prop I'll e-mail it to you.

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Old 12-26-2007, 08:22 AM   #15
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I could once speak colloquial German but no more. I am moderately able to read German script, sufficient to understand the basics, but it is a struggle and involves copious use of my dictionaries and translation devices such as Altavista.
Languages are sort of my occupation (I teach linguistics and second language acquisition) and in addition to German speak quite good Spanish (my wife is from Mexico) as well as some conversational Arabic, Japanese, Russian, Portuguese, and Danish. I can read German (and to a somewhat lesser degree, speak) fairly effortlessly, including the research literature in my speciality. But reading "engineering German" takes a lot of work.

BTW, I've recently come across an excellent online English/German-German-English dictionary that also includes technical vocabularly.

http://www.dict.cc/?s=propeller

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When I find my photo of the Reschke prop I'll e-mail it to you.
It will be much appreciated. I've decided I'll do both one of the Reschke props, which seem to be very common on the CI's, as well as the other more curved "striped" prop that I'm still trying to identify. A closer examination of the photo with a loupe reveals a second white-ish circular decal. I believe this is probably the Germania decal. So if you also happen to have a photo of a 1916-17 era Germania prop (curved, light/dark laminations with offset blades) for the Mercedes or Benz engine that would be fantastic.

I'm only doing these up as static display props since the RC engines run at too high an RPM to use a scale diameter prop without a reduction drive system.

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Old 12-26-2007, 09:29 AM   #16
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Don,

Send me a copy of the possible Germania prop please. Germania photos follow.

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Old 12-27-2007, 02:06 AM   #17
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I'll have to get my scanner working first. It's only a small photo in the Albatros CI datafile (p. 26) but when examining it with a magnifier I can almost make out the Germania decal "below" the German cross.

I'd appreciate any photos of a Germania prop (for a Mercedes or Benz engine) you can find -- particularly a front view I can use as a pattern.

BTW, since most photographs are not taken completely square ("dead on") the length of the two blades are often a bit different. So what I do is take the "best" blade, the copy and flip the copied image to create a fully symmetrical image. This is then sized to the scale needed, printed, and glued to the wood for cutting on a scroll or band saw.
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Old 12-27-2007, 07:31 PM   #18
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I just realized I don't know how to post photos to this forum. Could someone explain. I'm used to forums (like RCU) that have a photo upload option.
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Old 12-28-2007, 05:55 AM   #19
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Don,

There's a tutorial at the end of the index on our front page on how to post photographs. Essentially you enrol with photobucket, upload the photos there, then copy the link and paste it into your draft. It is even easier than it sounds.

I must find those photos for you, too.

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Old 12-28-2007, 10:33 AM   #20
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Thanks, Bob. I'll check into that right away. I'm familiar with photobucket but haven't used it before. I'm afraid the the photo (scanned from the CI datafile) won't be much use, but at least it will show the general shape.

I've been looking back at other propellers and the closest I've found is the Integrale prop (after I flip it around). The similarities are:

1. Straight, offset trailing edge
2. General blade width
3. Fair sharp "angle" as the tip blends into the TE
3. Smallish hub

In general, the German props appear to bear more similarities to the French props than to the British props.

--Don

PS. Here's a test of Photobucket. I've uploaded the flipped version of the Integral prop (from Dave's site) that I think looks simillar to what I'm guessing is a Germania prop.

http://s261.photobucket.com/albums/i...uxGermania.jpg
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