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Old 01-25-2014, 02:34 PM   #1
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I hope that someone can help me. I bought a propeller and want to know what kind of propeller it is, how old and aspecialy from which plane it is. It's a Merville, is 2,5 m long and has 2 id tags on it.











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Old 01-25-2014, 06:04 PM   #2
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Hi,

This prop was for a Morane Saulnier MS-500 "Criquet" produced in France, probably a civilian version.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morane-Saulnier_MS.500 and go to the French Production section)
and: http://www.aviafrance.com/aviafrance1.php?ID=8284
and : http://www.avionslegendaires.net/avi...s-500-criquet/

The prop is a wooden propeller, covered with kind of fiberglass and painted.
825 A1 is the design serial and PROTECHL is about the fiberglass protection.

From its serial number (16469) it was made at the end of 1953.

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Old 01-25-2014, 06:37 PM   #3
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Thank you very much for your answer.
Now I know which plane it's from.
Do you maybey have any idea of value of the propeller?

It's not that I want to sell him but I need it for my insurance 👍


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Hi,

This prop was for a Morane Saulnier MS-500 "Criquet" produced in France, probably a civilian version.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morane-Saulnier_MS.500 and go to the French Production section)
and: http://www.aviafrance.com/aviafrance1.php?ID=8284
and : http://www.avionslegendaires.net/avi...s-500-criquet/

The prop is a wooden propeller, covered with kind of fiberglass and painted.
825 A1 is the design serial and PROTECHL is about the fiberglass protection.

From its serial number (16469) it was made at the end of 1953.

Regards,
PM

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Old 01-26-2014, 08:54 AM   #4
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Hi,

I don't think you have to care for insurance about this prop, except if they are particularly looked for in Holland. In my small database I have 6 of them I saw for sale at prices going to 2000€, but the true sold prices were from 450 to 600€. This is one:
http://www.leboncoin.fr/collection/2...59.htm?ca=12_s
is for sale for more than 4 years now. First ad I have stored for it (8/2009) was priced 2000€ and ad after ad it went down to 850 in may 2012. On the most recent ads, there is no price and the owner ask for a "reasonable one".
As you can see, the prop is in perfect shape, like yours.

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Old 01-27-2014, 06:48 PM   #5
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It's not that I want to sell him but I'm putting it op on the wall and if something happens I know what to say against the insurance company 😉.
But thank you for your answer.

Ps: I'm finding my prop look much better than the one how is for sale 😄.
It only needs a little more cleaning.



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Hi,

I don't think you have to care for insurance about this prop, except if they are particularly looked for in Holland. In my small database I have 6 of them I saw for sale at prices going to 2000€, but the true sold prices were from 450 to 600€. This is one:
http://www.leboncoin.fr/collection/2...59.htm?ca=12_s
is for sale for more than 4 years now. First ad I have stored for it (8/2009) was priced 2000€ and ad after ad it went down to 850 in may 2012. On the most recent ads, there is no price and the owner ask for a "reasonable one".
As you can see, the prop is in perfect shape, like yours.

Regards,
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Old 01-27-2014, 07:30 PM   #6
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Hi,

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Ps: I'm finding my prop look much better than the one how is for sale 😄.
It only needs a little more cleaning.
You are right, the one on sale has lost its decals. So, beware with cleaning. On this kind of prop, the "paint" is very resistant (kind of epoxy) but the decals are not so much protected. Each scratch gets the value down. Be careful also with the airworthy marks (HL stamped on small lead discs). They did add some value if they are in perfect shape. Don't try to improve them. HL is for "Hélice Légère", a prop maker wha had (IMHO) a license for the protective layer.

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Old 01-28-2014, 06:36 PM   #7
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Thank you for the hint.
I will clean the prop carefully. I don't want to damage him.
I specially like the copper decals on my prop and the airworthy marks that I can see on it. (that you don't see on the other prop).
That makes him a lot more special for me.


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Hi,



You are right, the one on sale has lost its decals. So, beware with cleaning. On this kind of prop, the "paint" is very resistant (kind of epoxy) but the decals are not so much protected. Each scratch gets the value down. Be careful also with the airworthy marks (HL stamped on small lead discs). They did add some value if they are in perfect shape. Don't try to improve them. HL is for "Hélice Légère", a prop maker wha had (IMHO) a license for the protective layer.

Regards,
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Old 02-08-2014, 05:28 AM   #8
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Is it the same prop used on the MS 502 and MS 505?
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Old 02-08-2014, 03:58 PM   #9
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Hi,

I don't think so:
- MS-502 and 505 didn't use the same engine, so they had to use a different prop,
- All the Merville 825-A1 I have seen were for MS-500.

But the only way to be sure is to find their airworthy documents.

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Old 02-08-2014, 04:18 PM   #10
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OK, but if I take a good look at some pictures of ms-502's and ms-505's then the prop looks the same only they have not so much holes in the middle.

Hope that someone has airworthy documents 👍
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