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Old 07-05-2012, 09:41 AM   #11
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Oh my, I just realized who you are sir. I would like to ask which of your books you would recommend that might have a picture of the prop or the type of plane that this would have been used on. My husband is interested in knowing which military branch you served in. We are not going to sell our prop but I am curious to see if you have an idea what ours might be worth. I'm just wondering if he was in the right price range for what he paid. (it is another wife ?? I'm sure you have heard before ) I look forward to going to your website and looking over your books.

Thank you for your time.
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Old 07-05-2012, 09:54 AM   #12
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Hello Brenda,

I can't be of much help, I'm afraid. I specialise in British WW1 props. Dave is the best man to advise on the value of American props.

And there won't be a photograph of your prop in any of my books because I only describe British props, except for props made by Dashwood Lang who was a British maker seconded to the USN by the RN in 1917 to advise on the mass production of props. He stayed in the States for about two years and then returned to making props in britain. I describe his American sojurn and American props for completeness.

I was a logistician in the British Army but spent much of my time with the RAF. I was a despatcher who parachuted stores, ammo and vehicles from aircraft. I also worked with the US Army in Germany and the USAF here in Britain.

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Old 07-05-2012, 10:08 AM   #13
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Brenda,

A postscript; I missed the lowest of your photographs. Your prop has the distinctive angular shape of an American Navy Lang designed prop. I describe Lang in Part Three of my Book. There are sixty pages on Lang of which twenty describe the props he made for the USN.

You can order it from my website and pay by PayPal or by credit card through PayPal. When you order, please note that you have three choices of postal costs; within Britain, within Mainland Europe and everywhere else which includes USA, Australia etc.

But don't order it if your surname is Turner, because someone of that name has also just ordered Part Three

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Old 07-05-2012, 11:42 AM   #14
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We are not going to sell our prop but I am curious to see if you have an idea what ours might be worth. I'm just wondering if he was in the right price range for what he paid. (it is another wife ?? I'm sure you have heard before ) Thank you for your time.
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Brenda, there are several unknowns with respect to valuation of your prop, which is always difficult even in the best of circumstances.

1. It looks as if the hub has been chiseled out (usually for a clock), but I can't really tell from the picture. Alterations like that reduce value.

2. You should be able to see whether the hub is notched without having to remove it from the wall, and you can at least measure the existing thickness to see if it's less than a standard Liberty engine hub, which would also indicate that it's part of a 4 bladed combination rather than an entire prop as is. A two blade component of a 4 blade prop is not worth as much as a two blade prop that is designed as a two blade. Matching 2 bladed interlocking props (consecutively serial numbered) are extremely rare and quite valuable, IMHO.

3. If the prop has been refinished, and decals removed, the value is also reduced significantly.

If you monitor eBay for a while and search under "wooden propeller" (singular) then go to "Completed Listings" you can find what similar props have sold for in the past, keeping in mind some of the above considerations as you compare.

Planning to keep it instead of thinking of selling it relieves you of having to do any of those steps.
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Old 07-05-2012, 11:51 AM   #15
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I really appreciate the information that you have given. I will check into purchasing your book with the information that I am interested in. We are impressed and appreciate your background of service. I have to say that I am becoming more interested in WW1 history. Interesting people like yourself and others have helped to bring a new meaning of that era to light for me.

I thought you might like to know that the propeller my husband purchased is proudly hanging in a little town in western Kentucky.

Thank you again.

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Old 07-05-2012, 12:19 PM   #16
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Dave,

Thanks for your input. I don't see any decals on the blade. That is something that I had looked for when I was trying to identify earlier from your photos.

I just measured the hub and it is five inches thick. I don't know what a Liberty measures.

As far as the hub being chiseled out I'm not sure how to tell.

I would love to be able to see a picture of the type plane this propeller would have been on. It would be great to have a copy of the type plane framed and hanging on the wall with the prop.

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Old 07-05-2012, 12:58 PM   #17
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Check this chart to compare the hub dimensions to yours. The V12 Liberty engine should be 7 1/2 inches thick, so I'm guessing that the hub on yours is notched and that there is roughly 3 3/4 inches of flat hub remaining, which fills the 7 1/2 inches when two of them are stacked together.

From the photo, it looks like a pentagon has been notched in the hub.

Google "Curtiss H 16" and you'll see ONE of the possibilities, but by no means the only one.
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Old 07-05-2012, 08:03 PM   #18
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Dave,

As before thank you for all of the information. I am anxious to do the research. I don't understand about the pentagon being notched in the hub. does that mean it was done at the time it was made or at a later date?

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Old 07-05-2012, 08:21 PM   #19
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It was done by a previous owner, who somehow thought that a clock in the hub would add to its charm, which it doesn't.
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Old 07-07-2012, 03:30 PM   #20
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I agree with you It's a shame that it's original state has not been preserved. I'm afraid that to many old items have been changed due to people thinking it would make the item as you say add charm or make it more useful.

Thanks for all of your dedication and research on these old propellers.
Thanks for all of your information and help that you have given my on our propeller. ( yes, I have changed from my husband's propeller to ours)

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