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Old 06-03-2013, 08:12 PM   #21
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Hey Dom, just a quick question for you.

Upon reading back on your posts, it was indicated that the money really wasnt that important to you, and that you had indicated that the four bladed props were more visually appealing, fair enough, that being said, I was curious why you were trying to sell this aux prop on e -bay when it wasnt about the money and you thought it was visually appealing, which I would take it to mean, that you liked it? And might potentially keep it?

Just curious.

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Old 06-03-2013, 10:01 PM   #22
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Thanks for your message.
In fact, I'm hoping that as many people as possible visit your forum - they will doubtless form their own opinions of it.

I'm sorry that you think I'm ethically lacking, deceptive and dishonest, although you don't actually know me to make such a judgement do you? If you did, you would change your opinion I'm sure.

I've had various people tell me on here how friendly you all are and that the forum is all about fun & enjoyment etc etc but actually all you've tried to do since I innocently joined is to try to discredit me with what is tantamount to a character assasination.
Perhaps you just don't like outsiders...?

As for your pal the chap who contacted you re my prop, certainly we had communication and I won't embarrass him (or you) by quoting the rest of the communication we had nor to other information I subsequently learnt about him.
I would however reiterate the fact that my ebay listing states that, quote, ''mahogany four-bladed propeller thought to be from either an airship or zeppelin or possibly an auxilliary propeller from a bomber type aircraft''. Surely I can't say fairer than that, particularly as, I say again, I took advice from other quarters as well as your own selves re this prop and thus described the prop according to the advice and info I received at that time. Please don't make me spell this out again.

I've obviously fallen foul of you chaps which is disappointing for me but I would respectfully ask that you try to be more tolerant of others who join, particularly those who may be less knowledgable than your goodselves.
(Still) best wishes to all, Dom
Res ipsa loquitur.

Beyond that, I'm not particularly judgmental.
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Old 06-04-2013, 03:33 AM   #23
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Hi Dennis, Thanks for your message.

Yes, you're right, a four-bladed prop is more visually appealing to me which is what attracted me to the prop in the first instance and thus one of the reasons I acquired it.
I buy things and sell them Dennis, my motivation isn't financial, simply a hobby which I enjoy, probably in the same way that you or anyone else enjoy your hobbies.

It's just a vintage prop I'm selling, not the prop from McCudden's DH2 so I'm bewildered why some folk are getting all anal about it.

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Old 06-04-2013, 06:39 AM   #24
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Hi Dom.

So we come to the end of a long and winding thread of posts from various sources. Upon looking at all of the posts, let me offer this simple observation to you. Its hard to unscramble an egg!

That being said, its really not a case of any of the members of this forum being overly " anal " about the realm of wooden " airscrews ", that being said, as you have found out quite early, various gentlemen on this site that have a wealth of information at thier disposal and are most generous with it when it comes to helping those that wish to learn more about thier recent finds or purchases.

With out opening up pandoras box so to speak, you will find that on this forum, when it comes to old wooden props, especially anything related to WW1 and to all things that might be related to german products, honesty is always the best policy.

Granted, one can purchase what ever one likes and then also offer it up for sale to the masses and claim it to be what ever one wishes it to be, all a case of semantics no doubt.

I think you will find that on this site, all of us as a group are pretty interesting people and generally very friendly as well. But you will also find that when you are presented with the factual information, and then as a result, there is a "drift" from the identification provided, well suffice it to say, as you have seen, various new post's that are influenced by that " drift " will appear quickly.

To me that is one of the more fascinating elements of this great online community, we as a group tend to watch out for flaws and slight misrepresentations when it comes to this passionate " hobby " of vintage wooden " airscrews ".

I think that about sums it up.

Good luck on the potential sale of your AUX prop.

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Old 06-04-2013, 07:56 AM   #25
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Dennis, thanks for your interesting message.
I would agree with certain elements of what you say.
Despite all the accusations against me, I've made no false claims, haven't been dishonest, inethical nor deceptive.
My only crime, for want of a better word, is that I didn't robotically stick rigidly to the opinions I was given here about my prop.
If someone were to ask me to describe my experience thus far of this forum I could I think be excused for using words such as, unfriendly, insulting, dictatorial, dogmatic, insular, intolerant, elitist and cliquey. But I won't because that would further alienate myself from the other folk on here, (if that were possible!).
Anyway, I'm hoping my airscrew will go to someone who will enjoy it for what it is, an attractive and interesting vintage propellor, auxilliary or not.
I wonder if when I buy another propellor, I should ask you folks about it?
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:50 AM   #26
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If someone were to ask me to describe my experience thus far of this forum I could I think be excused for using words such as, unfriendly, insulting, dictatorial, dogmatic, insular, intolerant, elitist and cliquey. But I won't because that would further alienate myself from the other folk on here, (if that were possible!).

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I wonder if when I buy another propellor, I should ask you folks about it?
Best wishes,
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Please read through every one of the thousands of posts here and find out if your experience is different from all of the rest. I can think of one other similar set of responses, which occurred when someone tried to sell a propeller that didn't even belong to him, and in fact belonged to one of the other members here.

It does bug me a bit when you visit here, get free (and accurate) information in response to your question then find it appropriate to characterize the entire forum with those words simply because you thought what you heard elsewhere would look more appealing in the sale of your item.

This forum is a hobby, paid for entirely by the hobbyists, so even you can probably understand why your actions and responses got the attention it did.

Enough said. This whole thread is one or two posts away from being locked.
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Old 06-05-2013, 12:25 PM   #27
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Hello all, thanks to Mr Bahnson for your message but with respect, you're completely missing the point I think.

Anyway, in an attempt to lighten the atmosphere I found this graph in an 1899 copy of the Model Engineer and Electrician which, although refers to marine as well as aero propellors may be of interest to someone.
There's a related article with it if anyone's interested.

That's if I can add the photo....
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Old 06-05-2013, 09:13 PM   #28
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Hi,

Landing, drowning, ducking?

These chart is just an abacus of the formula: Pitch = tg(Angle of the blade) x Circumference,
more useful and convenient using the radius data:
Pitch = tg(Angle of the blade) x 2 x pi x Distance to prop center measured along blade axis.

This chart is from 1910, not 1899, but was known well before, as basic geometry.

The whole collection of this periodic seems to be at Hathi-Trust (http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/010556915) and a Google Book.

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