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Bob Gardner 04-16-2016 12:02 PM

Sale of a major collection of ww1 propellers
A forum member, Gert de Leeuw, is selling his collection of 47 propellers at auction at Dominic Winter in England on 12 & 13 May. The catalogue will be on the website www.dominicwinter.co.uk. in the near future. I'll advise when it appears.

Initially all will be offered as one lot with an estimate of 50,000-80,000 GBP. If they fail to sell as one lot, they will be offered individually (where 50,000 divided by 47 suggests reserves starting at about 1100.00), although prices are likely to vary widely from a four-bladed prop to one or two prop remnants comprising a hub and blade roots.

I think Gert bought some of his props from me. More important is that I have visited him several times to photograph and record all his props and many of them appear in my books on British and German WW1 Propellers.

With kind regards,


Dbahnson 04-16-2016 08:44 PM

Bob, is there a link to the auction items? I couldn't find one on the page you hyperlinked.

Bob Gardner 04-17-2016 03:29 AM


Dave, you are right; there is no catalogue on view. Their press release appears to have jumped the gun. I assume it will appear in the next few days.

I have updated my announcement above.


lion65 04-17-2016 02:37 PM

Hello Bob and Dave,

I posted an article about the auction in the category selling . Forum members can send me a private message, so they can already receive my catalog of the propellers. And Bob, thank you for posting.

Kind regards,

lion65 04-18-2016 05:19 AM

Hello forum members and interested,

In addition to the auction of the propellers 12-13 May are also auctioned numerous historic First World War aviation books. Including German, French and English books. A number of rare books on propellers and construction of propellers, and a number of historical books about the early days of aviation.

Kind regards,

Bob Gardner 04-18-2016 01:53 PM

Hello Gert!

Will you be at the auction? Perhaps we can meet there. Are you coming to GB by boat or aircraft? If aircraft, I'll pick you up if you wish.

I much regret that I couldn't buy all of these myself. My buying and selling days are over. They are a superb collection. And it is a great pleasure to have seen your collection and to use examples to illustrate my books, for which many thanks.

For fellow forumites, I would mention that this is a superb collection. By superb I do not necessarily mean in as-new condition. The scope and range of the collection is impressive. Some, a few I think, are restored. Most are in original condition. Gert, correct me if I'm wrong.

I do not know of a better collection in the Northern Hemisphere. Most museum collections consist of piles of propellers gathering dust; often half a century of dust. I believe Peter Jackson in NZ has the best collection, all mounted on a wall, I believe. I think Gert has the next best.

If any forumites wishes to bid in absentia I shall be delighted to help by bidding on your behalf and by arranging shipping. Although I have stopped buying and selling props my shipper who has shipped many for me still retains his skills.

With kind regards,


lion65 04-19-2016 09:02 AM

Hello Bob!

I am present at the auction, nice to meet you there!
I come with my car to England, then I'm more mobile, I want to visit some aviation museums.
No thanks, you too have often provide me with valuable information about propellers!
I do not know anyone who knows more about World War One propellers than you.
And your books on First World propellers are real works of reference, very valuable!
Thank you for your compliments and your words of praise, I feel honored!
You tell it correctly, a few propellers from the collection have been restored, but most are in original un-restored condition. Very kind of you to want to help interested people in bidding and shipping the propellers, thank you very much in advance!

Kind regards,

Bob Gardner 04-25-2016 10:23 AM

Gert de Leeuw Propeller Collection
At last the catalogue is available at www.dominicwinter.co.uk. It is part of the 156 page catalogue of the Collecters' Sale of Friday 13 May 2016.

You can view it on line and download it in hi-res or lo-res pdf format.

Good Luck


Bob Gardner 05-15-2016 07:47 AM

The sale of the WW1 propeller collection of fellow-forumite Gert de Leeuw took place on Friday 13 May, at the auction house of Dominic Winter in England.

Forty-seven WW1 propellers were offered for sale, many of them particularly rare and interesting. They were predominantly German with a few British, French and Dutch.

Eighteen failed to sell, 38%, and twenty-nine sold, 61% (ignoring decimal places). Bringing a large specialist collection to auction has always been regarded in the antique trade as risky.

The prices achieved were low, often at or around the reserve figure, resulting in some bargains. A four bladed British FE2B prop sold for a hammer price of 2300. With the auctioneer's commission of 23.40% this rises to 2838. By contrast a dealer on eBay is offering a similar sort of four-bladed prop for just under 9000, about three times as much. Unsurprisingly it has been on eBay for some time and has not sold.

As an aside, eBay was once a place where bargains could be found. The uncertainty of eBay, (buying from someone unknown, buying something you could not properly inspect and the fear of fakes and misrepresentation) led to much lower prices being realized. These constraints still apply but some eBayers now ask for prices comparable to those of a reputable dealer with a shop.

Bob Gardner

pmdec 05-18-2016 07:37 AM


Is it possible to know the prices asked for the ones which were withdrawn? I have found the list of withdrawn ones (on Dominic Winter site) but without the "starting" price:
Herewith the following lots have been withdrawn
621-662, 673, 674, 675, 676, 678, 679, 681, 682, 683, 685, 686, 687, 689, 691, 692, 695, 699, 788, 789, 886, 1052, 1064, 1068, 1069, 1070, 1071, 1075, 1076, 1077, 1120


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